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Saturday, September 29, 2012

Dr. Fetzer/Onebornfree Radio Interview: Introduction


Complete Fetzer/onebornfree "Real Deal" 09/05/12 radio interview [MP3]


Introduction: 

In late August/ early September of 2012  I was invited to be an interview guest on Dr. Jim Fetzer's "Real Deal" radio show for Wednesday 5th. September 2012. He apparently records the show "live" , and then puts it out there as a podcast, as far as I can tell [i.e. no live call ins- at least in my case].


We had initially"met" on a 9/11 blog called "Truth and Shadows",  where we were practically the only two persons who agreed that the principles of Newtonian laws of physics  made the central event portrayed in the various 9/11 "amateur"videos of a plane [UA Fl. 175]gliding effortlessly into a 500,000 ton steel and concrete building [WTC2] without even slowing down or shedding any parts on initial impact, a scientifically impossible  event, given the realities of Newtonian physics as applied to moving objects impacting stationary objects. 

As shown, for example, in the famous, Michael Herzekhani alleged "amateur" "live" footage:

user posted image

I guess he liked my posts at "Truth and Shadows",  and perhaps thought my posts fairly reasonable, tone-wise, as compared to the overwhelming, overall hate and nastiness and  continual vitriol he and I were constantly exposed to from most other posters there. 

From my own perspective, once I saw that he was posting regularly at that blogsite [for whatever reasons-  self-promotion possibly ], and as he is on record as having recognized credentials in the philosophy of scientific methodology, and as I had certain disagreements with his own employment of the "scientific" methodology regarding areas of his 9/11 research, and, as I was curious as to his reasoning for his [to me] "unusual" definition of the scientific methodology as he employs it with regard to 9/11 research, I proceeded to try to ask him questions at "Truth and Shadows" related to his conclusions to date about 9/11, in particular about his current, "they used holograms instead of real planes" theory.

Out of those blog exchanges, I got an "out of the blue" invitation to appear on Dr. Fetzer's "Real Deal " radio show. 

The show was 2 hours long, in 4 roughly 25 minute sections, and so I have written 4 separate blog entries each dedicated to the main subjects we attempted to cover in any one section. [The 4 sections were written because of my concerns about overloading one entry with too many videos and pictures etc.] 

Dr. Fetzer/Onebornfree Radio Interview .Pt 1

Complete Fetzer/onebornfree "Real Deal" radio interview 09/05/12-mp3

About "onebornfree" [warning, self promotion section- read at your own risk :-) ] :  

I'm not  an independent 9/11 researcher, I'm more of a reviewer of other peoples research and of the underlying belief systems, psychologies and assumptions which lead the various  9/11 researchers  to their various conclusions about what happened on  9/11. 

 In other words, I am not a "Killtown" or a Dr. Fetzer, nor a Judy Wood, Simon Shack, Hoi Polloi, Ace Baker, Gerard Holmgren, Morgan Reynolds, David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones  etc. etc. or any other esteemed 9/11 researcher.  

Very little of my 9/11 thinking to date is original to myself as far as research goes[ that may change at some point], it is nearly all "parroted"/copied from other individuals  far more intelligent and far more observant than myself.

I am completely independent and am a member of no 9/11 "truth movement" , nor of any other movement. [ I am  however, a founding member of an anti-organization called "The Freedom Network" ]. 

Despite the fact that I am at this time a strong supporter of Simon Shack's 9/11 research, [i.e. I am very biased :-)], because I do not consider myself to be a 9/11 researcher, I am not even a member of Simon Shacks excellent forum, although I have talked with him briefly a couple of times via email.  I previously posted on a now [sadly defunct ]forum hosted by "Killtown" among others, where Mr Shack was also a member, and talked with him there a few times [2007-8?]. 

I have also posted various  entries to do with 9/11 on the excellent, but often ignored "Beyond Politics & 9/11 ,  run by "DoYouEverWonder" [a very patient and fair moderator in my opinion].

 I also used  to post in the Ludwig Von Mises Institute forums but came to the sad conclusion that most of the so-called anarcho-capitalists [including the moderators] there actually believe the entire official 9/11 fable and that my posts were definitely not welcome. 

More recently I have posted at Craig Mckees "Truth and Shadows" blog: My previous Dr. Fetzer/onebornfree/ interactions there [i.e how we "met"]are here  : 
  

Onebornfree's official qualifications:   

Almost ZERO!  Outside of Karate [20+ years] and martial arts in general,  I have no "formal " training in any discipline, including science, economic science, political science or philosophy, investment, finance or speculative philosophy, alternative medicine, health/fitness, law, or anything else for that matter. 

My poor speaking abilities: On listening to the interview you will also discover that I am not an expert in public speaking either.  

Despite the fact that I have absolutely no problem with getting up in front of an audience and singing/playing guitar live, my delivery during this live interview is annoyingly halting [even to me] . 

My excuse? This was my first time ever on radio and I'm unaccustomed to the pressure of having to come up with something intelligent to say live, on air, time after time for almost 2 hours straight.  Also I believe that my "Skype" connection may have been intermittent, which adds to the halting quality of some segments, and if you factor in your own real-time connection problems on top of all that while you listen to the sound file- it might get pretty annoying at times. 

My publications: Unlike Dr. Fetzer, almost ZERO!  Outside of 2 privately published efforts to do with investment philosophy [ one on Swiss Bank Liquidity, the other on using Nevada and offshore incorporations to shield wealth from governments and to  increase financial and personal privacy], and one on Safe Speculation Principles that is currently "under construction", my only published written "screed" is in my various listed blogs [below] . My other web publications are all music related.

Onebornfree info: "The Problem Solver
[I problem solve in 3 or 4 different general areas: personal freedom, personal privacy, investment and speculation, alternative medicine [i.e.herbology, homeopathy, chiropractic, various types of massage,] diet/exercise/fitness,  personal relationships/sexuality issues , business problems, career problems, life goal problems etc. etc.]

 Besides being a long time student of  economic theory, I am also a  long-time student  and practitoner of Hatha Yoga, weightlifting/bodybuilding,  cycling, walking,Tae Kwon Do, Tai Chi, and the philosophy behind Aikido. 

Onebornfree Freedom network blog : http://freedominunfreeworld.blogspot.com/


Dr Fetzer book: [my original introduction to his 9/11 work]: "The 9/11 Conspiracy- The Scamming of America". 

9/11 video: Killtowns "Air vs Skyscraper"  [plane travelling through air in same number of frames per sec as it does through 500,000 tons of steel and concrete, as mentioned by Dr. Fetzer in this first interview segment]: 


End of 1st. section [music break before section 2 commences]

Link to Supporting radio interview text for Part 2[ of 4]



Dr.Fetzer / Onebornfree Radio Interview Pt. 2





General topic links:  






Specific 9/11 Topics in This Section:                                                                    


1] Dr. Fetzers Claim: "Holograms Were Used on 9/11"  

2]Richard Hall's Hologram Theory Video Analysis.

3] Strange Change of Shape of Entry Hole in WTC1, Post Impact.

Dr Fetzer "Truth and Shadows" quote  [September 2, 2012 – 9:56 am ] :


[Dr. Fetzer's quote is about 3/4th's or maybe a little further down the page linked to . N.B. quotes as printed there are NOT necessarily in chronological posting sequence due to Wordpress software peculiarities. ]

Dr Fetzers Working Assumptions?

My own work with individuals on personal freedom issues  often involves examining a persons underlying , working assumptions. 

We all make assumptions and then base our conclusions on those underlying assumptions;  for  9/11, and for almost everything else, and then think/act accordingly.

Here are Dr. Fetzer's  4 most important [ i.e.  admitted] underlying,  basic working assumptions to date regarding his "Holograms Were Used on 9/11" theory  [N.B. his conclusions were  reached prior to the appearance of the Richard Hall video linked to below] :

Dr Fetzer Assumption [1] That Newtonian Laws of Physics [in particular Newton's 3rd Law of Motion were not suspended on 9/11. 

[ I agree with Dr. Fetzer regarding this assumption] .

Dr Fetzer Assumption [2]: That the Michael Herzekhani "amateur" video [see end of  interview section 4] is genuine and depicts a holographic plane image entering a real tower image, in other words, it is a genuine video capture of a real time, real world, event.    


[I respectfully, but strongly, disagree with this assumption- unfortunately, I do not get into any of the reasons for my disagreement with his assumption until the very end of the last segment {i.e. part 4} of my appearance on Dr. Fetzer's show. ]

Dr Fetzer Assumption [3]: that the Evan Fairbanks "amateur" video, like the Herzekhani  footage, is also genuine and likewise depicts a holographic plane image entering a real tower image, in other words, it is a genuine video capture of a real time, real world, event.


 [I respectfully, but strongly, disagree with this assumption also - unfortunately, because of time constraints I do not get into the reasons for my disagreement with his assumption at all during my appearance on Dr. Fetzer's show, but hopefully I will get a chance to go over some of the issues concerning the Fairbanks video in a future show, if he is kind enough to invite me back on. ]
Dr Fetzer Assumption [4] [used by Dr Fetzer to "confirm "what he already "knows", i.e. that the above  Fairbanks and Herzekhani video sequences 1 and 2 are undeniably genuine "real time" videos that depict holographic plane images] : is that the  verbal, alleged  "eyewitness testimony" of one "Scott Forbes" is genuine and can therefor be relied on to further confirm the authenticity of the Fairbanks and Herzekhani video sequences.  Fetzer / Scott Forbes interview here.   


[I respectfully, but strongly, disagree with the use of unverifiable, entirely verbal "eyewitness" testimony as a legitimate part of a scientific methodology- as you will hear, Dr. Fetzer does not share my "unschooled" opinion on this matter. ]

The Strange Case of the More Believable British Accent

Furthermore, as  "Ab Irato" says in his August 14, 2012 4:43 AM comment concerning the unsubstantiated Forbes claims: 

".......lets start with his British accent. What is it about us that makes us automagically want to believe anyone with an Anglo lilt? Why do we give instant bonus credit to Brits? Is it secret longing for our old master the King?" 

Exactly. I too have noticed the weird, downright ridiculous tendency for Americans in general to be impressed by a British accent- [God knows why], and to subconsciously believe it to be somehow more truthful.  Not only in the case of the Forbes testimony, but even more so with regards to the ridiculous, over-the-top "plum in the mouth" BBC accent affected by Mr. Anthony Lawson in his god-awful September Clues "debunking video.

[My advice: don't believe anyone, about anything, on account of their "believable" accent, especially "Brits"!]

Dr. Fetzer Assumption 5 ? : The Richard Hall Video Analysis:

[WARNING! yet more "believable"British accents on display here sounding earnest, "scientific", and for some, more "honest"! Does it ever stop?] 

Further "confirmation" [i.e. mental reinforcement] for Dr Fetzer's hologram theory [ i.e. of what he already "knows"] appears to be  the newer Richard Hall video [ released 04/12] : Complete Richard Hall hologram video

This "confirmation" could well be called "working assumption no.5" for Dr Fetzer.  

 I have had specific problems with the Richard Hall analysis leading to his conclusion of the use of holograms on 9/11. 

Here are  two issues I attempted to raise during my radio interview: 

Screen shot [1] of Hall video data used to expound hologram plane theory:



[Click on image to enlarge]

My first question for Dr. Fetzer regarding the Richard Hall video was, approximately :

" You state that "only" the header ["UA-175 WORLD TRADE CENTER 11 SEP 01" ] of this data set has been changed by the government,and that the data set  itself is still reliable and trustworthy. Why would you believe that? How do you know with absolute certainty that the entire data set issued by the government is not a forgery? If you believe that they would change the header, why wouldn't they/it fake the data beneath that header" . " 

In other words, for Dr. Fetzer to believe that the data used by Mr Hall is all genuine despite the admitted fakeness of the header seems a little strange to me  , and methodologically questionable as well,especially if his experience with the government's story of 9/11 is the same as mine, i.e. 100% lies to date about everything, including the victims! [but hey, I'm not a scientist :-) ].


Screen shot [2] of Hall video data used to expound hologram plane theory [ Clip 20 in the Hall video, which is the original CBS "live" 9/11 aired  16 sec. "divebomber" sequence- mistakenly called clip 21 by yours truly in my interview]

The Importance of The CBS "Live" Fl.175 Footage:

 For those of you who do not understand the importance of the original "live" CBS "divebomber" sequence, if you had been watching CBS network TV on the morning of 9/11, as a CBS viewer you would have been  the first to see the plane image come into view pre-strike. The CBS "live" sequence was the longest aired [a full 16 secs. pre-strike] of any of the original network footage. [The next longest is the NBC sequence, at 14 secs.] As an archived verifiable visual record, the CBS footage is important for that fact alone [its length], let alone for the obvious fact that the flight path it shows for Fl.175 is unlike that seen in any other network, or "amateur", "live" footage, and even strongly implies a completely different angle of strike/penetration compared to what is seen in  other footage [right wing ahead of left- whereas most other footage shows a straight on collision, or has the left wing slightly ahead of the right when striking.]

No Differentiation:

Significantly perhaps, Mr. Hall's analysis makes no attempt to differentiate between original "live" network footage as archived,
and the 45 odd, subsequently released alleged "amateur" video releases of the same event, but mixes all sources together  for this analysis.


                                [Click on image to enlarge]

Screen shots [3]  and [4] of Hall video data compared to clip 20 [i.e. to CBS's original "live" footage] and used to "prove" the holographic plane image theory [Mr Hall has drawn a straight line to show Fl. 175's last moments whereas the original footage shows the plane image as viewed "live" considerably to the left of that line, so that in the original {i.e clip 20} the plane image must make a massive swerve back to the viewers right in order to strike the building [plane image is just visible below the  45 deg. angle red line in pic. 4 below] :

                                               3:



[Click on image to enlarge]

4]:
[From 19:11 in Richard Hall hologram video. Plane image is just visible below the  45 deg. angle red line above - Click on image 4 above to enlarge]

For original morning -aired CBS supposedly"live" "divebomber" sequence as re-aired on the afternoon of 9/11, click here.

Extra material for section 2 : 

Dr. Fetzer at one point  mentions the  strange change of the shape of the first hit entry hole in the Naudet video from a "Z" to a "V" shape.

Here is a link to  Simon Shack's analysis of the strange change of the entry hole configuration allegedly made by Fl. 11 into the North tower  [start at around 2:35 into video ]

Dr. Fetzer/ Onebornfree Radio Interview Pt. 3

Complete Fetzer/onebornfree "Real Deal" radio interview 09/05/12 [MP3 file]

The Richard Hall Video Analysis Continued:


Further "confirmation" for Dr Fetzer's hologram theory is [for him] the newer Richard Hall hologram video [ 04/12] . This "confirmation" could well be called "working assumption no. 5" for Dr Fetzer.  I have had specific problems with the Richard Hall analysis leading to his conclusion of the use of holograms on 9/11. Here are the two issues I attempted to raise during my radio interview: 

Screen shot [1] of Hall video data used to expound hologram plane theory:


[Click on image above to enlarge]

My question for Dr. Fetzer was, approximately : " You state that "only" the header ["UA-175 WORLD TRADE CENTER 11 SEP 01" ] of this data set has been changed by the government,and that the data set  itself is still reliable and trustworthy. Why would you believe that? How do you know with absolute certainty that the entire data set issued by the government is not a forgery? If you believe that they would change the header, why wouldn't they/it fake the data beneath that header as well? 

In other words, for Dr. Fetzer to believe that the data used by Mr Hall is all genuine despite the admitted fakeness of the header seems a little strange to me   , and methodologically questionable as well [but hey, I'm not a "trained" scientist :-) ]

Screen shots [2] and [3] of Hall video data used to expound hologram plane theory [ Clip 20 in the Hall video, which is the original CBS "live" 9/11 aired  16 sec. "divebomber" sequence [N.B. in my interview I mistakenly say the CBS clip is number 21 when it is in fact No. 20] :

[Click on image above to enlarge]

[Click on image above to enlarge]


Screen shot [4] of Hall video data used to expound hologram plane theory [Mr Hall has drawn a straight line to show Fl. 175's last moments whereas the original footage shows the plane image as viewed "live" as being considerably to the left and below  that drawn [red] line for its final moments pre-strike, so that the plane image must, in the CBS original "live" footage, make a massive swerve back to the viewers right in order to strike the building :

[Click on image above to enlarge]





Dr. Fetzer "Real Deal"Onebornfree Interview Pt.4


Complete Fetzer/onebornfree radio interview 09/05/12[MP3 file]

Interview Section 4.

Subjects Covered:

1]The Richard Hall Video Analysis and My Questions For Dr. Fetzer, Continued


2] Fake Network Fl. 175 Footage with contradictory flight paths.

3]Fake WTC1, 2 and 7 Collapse Footage + New[2010] Fake N.I.S.T. Collapse Footage.

4] Fake "live" Amateur Footage [Herzekhani video] :


Below are screen shots [2] and [3] of Hall video data used to expound hologram plane theory [ Clip 20 in the Richard Hall hologram theory video, starting at around the 18:50 mark, mistakenly referred to by myself in my interview as clip 21] which uses the original CBS "live" 9/11 aired  16 sec. "divebomber" sequence:





The next screen shot from the Hall video does at least  graphically demonstrate the extreme downward path of Fl. 175 according to the original CBS "16 sec. "divebomber" sequence: 



Below is screen shot [4]  of Hall  hologram plane theory video [as I mentioned to Dr Fetzer, Mr Hall has misrepresented the CBS Fl.175 flight path by drawing a straight line to show Fl. 175's last moments whereas the original CBS footage shows the plane image as viewed "live" considerably to the left and below that line, so that the plane image must make a massive swerve back to the viewers right in order to strike the building [ In the screen shot still, below, the plane image can be seen directly below Hall's red line that is at a 45 degree angle from the left side of the frame to where it touches the WTC2 image] :

                                                     [Click on image to enlarge]

Extra material:  original CBS "divebomber" live sequence [as shown when re-aired later by CBS on the afternoon of 9/11] 

                                MY QUESTIONS:


Q: If Holograms, What About The Contradictory Flight Paths For Fl.175  in Network Footage? 

Q:If a Hologram Was Used, Why Not Two Plane Images In at Least Some Aired Footage? :

My questions for Dr. Fetzer:  

 1] If holograms were used that day, wouldn't we expect to see consistency in the flight paths depicted in the various original "live" network footage,[e.g ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN] plus in all of the alleged amateur footage? 

2] [ This question was not asked of Dr. Fetzer during my interview]:  

if the hologram theory is correct, would we not expect to see TWO plane images [1400ft. apart] in at least one of the wide-view MSM video sequences [e.g the CBS, NBC, and FOX 5 wide shot]? Or is there something I am misunderstanding about Mr  Fetzer/Mr. Hall's theory perhaps? [update/correction 11/11/12: on a subsequent listening I learn that Mr Hall believes that the plane projecting the holographic plane image was invisible via S.T.E.A.L.T.H. technology or similar. ]

[Just] One example of the contradictory flight paths of Fl 175 as depicted in the various original network "live" imagery [CBS, NBC,ABC, FOX,] : 

Here below we  can see [again thanks to Simon Shack!], how even within one network [NBC] , the Flight path of Fl.175 is contradicted in two separate broadcasts, one morning and one evening, one with background scenery; the second one [evening broadcast] mysteriously missing background scenery entirely, plus with an entirely different, shallower approach angle [while the first is closer to the angle seen in the 16 sec. CBS "divebomber" sequence shown above : 

[Click on image above for enlarged view].

[from :http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=961&p=2372768 ]

What's more, none of the original MSM broadcast approach sequences for Fl.175 [e.g. CBS NBC, ABC, FOX, etc.] show matching flight paths, the most glaring differences are between 
original CBS "divebomber" live sequence and all the rest, but even with the CBS footage excluded, the others still do not match each other, nor do they match all of the subsequently released alleged "amateur" footage either, which even if taken as a group by themselves [i.e. all "amateur" only], fail to match each other!  [ The question being: if holograms were used and were caught live on camera by the networks and amateurs, why are there such obvious, glaring discrepancies in the flight paths of Fl.175 in the various original "live" video records?]


Fake "Live" Network Collapse Footage 

I told Dr Fetzer that I currently believe that the "live" MSM network collapse sequences for WTC1 and 2 [and 7] ,  just like all of the original, allegedly "live" MSM aired network Fl.175 sequences [and like all, post-event released amateur equivalents], are also all fake[i.e pre -manufactured on computers, then dishonestly broadcast as being "live"], as also revealed by Simon Shack and the various talented September Clues  researchers.

 Recently the super observant folks at September Clues uncovered yet more evidence in support of this proposition:

 Imagery discrepancies in NIST footage released 2010 [ debris falls towards camera without becoming larger on screen; debris falls at a speed far above terminal velocity [apparently under 4 sec.s , more than double the real-world possible speed- see the gif below extracted from the video ] : 




Click on this link for full, original 2010 NIST  falling debris video: 


My Final Point to Dr Fetzer : The Total Fakery of the Herzekhani video sequence that  he takes as being genuine and has used as part of the evidence to support his holographic plane theory : 

Below is a "slo-mo" gif file of the  famous Herzekhani footage as shown on CNN later on 9/11 [i.e. never "live"]:

 user posted image


Below is an analysis [by "teardrop"] of the last few frames of the same video. Notice that the tail of the plane remains exactly centered in the frame [red line] and that in reality, it is the building that moves towards the plane , and not the plane towards the building as it should be:

user posted image


Original onebornfree 2009 mythbusters blog entry featuring these gifs here :

N.B. There are many other internal problems with the Herzekhani sequence- I only had enough time in my interview to briefly address the one issue. Hopefully if I am invited back I will have a chance to address other problems with it as revealed by various researchers over the years, as well as to possibly address similar problems with the Evan Fairbanks "live" video sequence.

Don't forget, that outside of Newton's 3rd. Law of Motion [assumption number 1 for Dr Fetzer] the Herzekhani and Fairbanks make up his second and third assumptions, and that those three assumptions together are the primary reasons for his conclusion to date that holograms of a plane image were employed on 9/11. 

Our working assumptions always pre-date our conclusions. So if Dr. Fetzer's assumptions regarding the authenticity of both the Herzekhani and Fairbanks video are proven incorrect, then the entire Dr. Fetzer /Richard Hall hologram theory would appear to be, ahem, "highly questionable" to say the least :-)  . 

Regards, onebornfree.